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tHeHeTeRiC
November 2nd, 2004, 04:04 PM
all you have to do is open notepad, type random characters into it, then log out. because you havent saved windows will try to shut down, close all programs then get to notepad. end task box will popup, click cancle, now your good. do what you want!

nihil
November 2nd, 2004, 08:36 PM
Hi,

At the risk of sounding incredibly stupid (the truth has a nasty habit of getting out :D )

What OSes are we talking?

NT4.0 (SP3 or later)
NT 5.0 (Win 2K) Pro Client
NT5.0 (Win2K) Server Home
XP Home
XP Pro

etc

By "log out" do you mean shut down, or change user?

OK, so I cancel the shutdown, what happens then? does it elevate privileges or something.

:)

djscribble
November 3rd, 2004, 03:54 AM
it doesn't elevate privilages, it closes the cyber nanny (or any other "nanny" program you can think of) because you trick the computer into getting ready to log off and then not...

the only types of ptograms that this trick will not kill are the ones that run as services rather than just hidden

i used this trick back in highschool (back when windows 95 was da bomb ;) and it still works through XP (so that should anwser your OS question)

yourdeadin
November 3rd, 2004, 05:53 AM
well i don think that works in XP coz as soon as i click cancel the windows logs off immediatly .
and as nihil said plz specify your os is it
NT4.0 (SP3 or later)
NT 5.0 (Win 2K) Pro Client
NT5.0 (Win2K) Server Home
XP Home
XP Pro

good luck!!

djscribble
November 3rd, 2004, 08:57 PM
I know it works if you leave outlook open -- EX:

in windows xpi have outlook set to automatically empty trash on closing -- when windows tries to shutdown, it tries to close outlook. outlook puts up a prompt and windows tries to force close the application -- if you ignore that, then you are fine and can work in a minimal program running envoronment

also, you can do the same thing with a word document by making a new one and typing some stuff then when it prompts to save, just ignore it -- i used that trick when trying to combat sasser (when it was just a proof of concept and i was working with windows 2k)

Und3ertak3r
November 3rd, 2004, 09:23 PM
i used that trick when trying to combat sasser (when it was just a proof of concept
You were combating SASSER when IT was proof of concept? this sounds like a good story ..
The Admin Services initiated shutdown is a Force Shutdown.. that is If the work ain't saved it is toast..

And You were Combating THE SASSER Worm when it was proof of concept? WOW

As for the Empty Deleted Emails option with Outlook If you initiate a normal shutdown.. how the hell can you do anything.. the machines I tested here while they stoped shutting down at the Outlook "are you sure" message..., ya can't open shite at this point.. haven't tried Outlook Express

my god you were combating SASSER when it was proof of concept..

djscribble
November 3rd, 2004, 10:37 PM
ok, i admit, i worded that wrong -- i should have said, when we were combating the proof of concept that came out the week or 2 before sasser came out (here at work we refer to it as the sasser Proof of Concept)

oops...

Und3ertak3r
November 3rd, 2004, 11:01 PM
Ok.. i am sorry for being so bloody sarcastic..

either the phase of the moon.. or just bloody pig minded..

cheers

nihil
November 3rd, 2004, 11:11 PM
OK,

Can anyone give me a link to stuff this is supposed to shut off?..........like 30 day trial or whatever?

I tried it on XP Pro, and it seemed to work, except it did not close any processes.

I was also interested if it might have an anti-malware role; as I suspect that djscribble was hinting at?

As for the original post:

"Son, when I went to school we had slate boards and slate pencils"

Anyone else here remember them?

:D :eek:

Und3ertak3r
November 3rd, 2004, 11:20 PM
"Son, when I went to school we had slate boards and slate pencils"

Anyone else here remember them?

and the teacher would pick up a slate from the kid behind you and whack you over the head?.. nope.. never heard of them.. but they didn't have good porn filtering.. and the popups were killers

..

Hmm I see what your getting regarding the processes.. .. and dealing with malware.. may have aplay later..
Give a different prog a go.. I will be testing OLEXP later, see how it compares to Outlook.. also try progs with different Priority levels..

tHeHeTeRiC
November 4th, 2004, 02:53 PM
This will work almost any windows version, it may need some tweaking, but thats what hacking is all about.

jonathans_daddy
November 4th, 2004, 03:08 PM
Live Linux CDs work even better. :-)