NemorY
July 1st, 2004, 04:38 PM
People just don't read the whole thing before making accusations !
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MilitantEidolon
July 1st, 2004, 04:43 PM
The links are at the end of his tutorial
Not only did I link at the end of the tutorial but at the end of the lists I gave attribute to the article.
some of that information will be the same in every Network Documentation paper
That is exactly why I want to make sure I accredited to the sources that I used. Other than that it is common knowledge that you will learn when you embark on creating your own network documentation.
- MilitantEidolon
Not only did I link at the end of the tutorial but at the end of the lists I gave attribute to the article.
some of that information will be the same in every Network Documentation paper
That is exactly why I want to make sure I accredited to the sources that I used. Other than that it is common knowledge that you will learn when you embark on creating your own network documentation.
- MilitantEidolon
MilitantEidolon
July 1st, 2004, 04:57 PM
I can't believe it I just negged again for this. You guys are unbelieveable.
Well I hope that some people can learn from this because I payed a price for this.
- MilitantEidolon
Well I hope that some people can learn from this because I payed a price for this.
- MilitantEidolon
AngelicKnight
July 1st, 2004, 05:07 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about the negs. APs usually balance out. Just look at how long it takes the people who are trying to get banned to actually be banned. Negs are usually not a major threat unless you just do something horrendous repeatedly.
The problem is probably that a lot of AO vets look down on copied tuts, plagarized or not (or so it appears thus far from my limited time being here anyway). I think the general notion is they'd prefer that the majority of info come out of your head. I don't necessarily agree/disagree with that, but that seems to be the trend.
I'd suggest that if you want to post/add to another's existing tut, you might be safer to give credit at the beginning rather than at the end. Perhaps that will save you from being negged by those who only read part of the post. They also know your intent on the front end that way. Just a thought.
Don't be discouraged though. You'll get the hang of things soon enough.
The problem is probably that a lot of AO vets look down on copied tuts, plagarized or not (or so it appears thus far from my limited time being here anyway). I think the general notion is they'd prefer that the majority of info come out of your head. I don't necessarily agree/disagree with that, but that seems to be the trend.
I'd suggest that if you want to post/add to another's existing tut, you might be safer to give credit at the beginning rather than at the end. Perhaps that will save you from being negged by those who only read part of the post. They also know your intent on the front end that way. Just a thought.
Don't be discouraged though. You'll get the hang of things soon enough.
Spyder32
July 1st, 2004, 05:09 PM
Yeh, and don't worry about the neg's. Your not banned and that's all that matter's.
ss2chef
July 1st, 2004, 05:18 PM
Additional tools I use for network documentation..
www.networknotepad.com/ - Free
I like Visio better but many clients don't have license...
www.networkview.com/ - Free to try - To buy $79 US
www.networknotepad.com/ - Free
I like Visio better but many clients don't have license...
www.networkview.com/ - Free to try - To buy $79 US
Soda_Popinsky
July 1st, 2004, 07:03 PM
AGH!
Sorry bro-
Next time, make a sources / biblio section at the bottom or top, and then cite those sources throughout. It's sorta like of APA or MLA citation to work it like that. The links you have at the bottom don't look like sources of your work, but instead suggested readings.
I pretty much just googled a section of your work, and then checked for a sources section in your tut, which I didn't see, so I concluded that you plagiarized. You may want to do a little editing, because you don't cite "properly". But the point is, you didn't plagiarize, although you could call it plagiarize in its strictest definition.
Sorry bro-
Next time, make a sources / biblio section at the bottom or top, and then cite those sources throughout. It's sorta like of APA or MLA citation to work it like that. The links you have at the bottom don't look like sources of your work, but instead suggested readings.
I pretty much just googled a section of your work, and then checked for a sources section in your tut, which I didn't see, so I concluded that you plagiarized. You may want to do a little editing, because you don't cite "properly". But the point is, you didn't plagiarize, although you could call it plagiarize in its strictest definition.
MilitantEidolon
July 1st, 2004, 07:09 PM
Soda -
I understand MLA I pulled a 4.0 at college in English I am can write. However right under the lists of "possible things to look at" I saw that these lists are attributed to that other tutorial. That was the only tutorial I pulled information from so that is the only thing I need. Also these lists are sorta of common knowledge but I still thought I would attribute the article.
Thanks you for the acknowledgment.
- MilitantEidolon
I understand MLA I pulled a 4.0 at college in English I am can write. However right under the lists of "possible things to look at" I saw that these lists are attributed to that other tutorial. That was the only tutorial I pulled information from so that is the only thing I need. Also these lists are sorta of common knowledge but I still thought I would attribute the article.
Thanks you for the acknowledgment.
- MilitantEidolon
Soda_Popinsky
July 1st, 2004, 07:53 PM
and I decided developed a tutorial.
Lists where taken for a tutorial called The ‘Write’ Stuff.
I pulled a 4.0 at college in English I am can write.
You sure about that? ;)
Some things to change, because this IS plagiarism.
QUOTE ( " " ) the copy pastes, because it is NOT your work. You did not paraphrase, and it IS plagiarism. Common knowledge doesn't mean beans.
ADD a sources section. A suggested reading section does not count, because it does not mean you used them for information.
After your brand new quotes, add a (npower.org) reference to the bibliography.
Plagiarism isn't taken lightly when it is published, which is why it is taken so strictly here. We don't like it when people rip our tutorials, so we are strict when others copy paste information from others. If you plan on going further with this tutorial and plan on releasing it, then the changes I recommended are not optional, but required. You made it in .pdf format, which makes me think you might be going farther with it. You have unlimited edits in the tutorials section, so I think you can re-post the first tutorial if you need to.
Lists where taken for a tutorial called The ‘Write’ Stuff.
I pulled a 4.0 at college in English I am can write.
You sure about that? ;)
Some things to change, because this IS plagiarism.
QUOTE ( " " ) the copy pastes, because it is NOT your work. You did not paraphrase, and it IS plagiarism. Common knowledge doesn't mean beans.
ADD a sources section. A suggested reading section does not count, because it does not mean you used them for information.
After your brand new quotes, add a (npower.org) reference to the bibliography.
Plagiarism isn't taken lightly when it is published, which is why it is taken so strictly here. We don't like it when people rip our tutorials, so we are strict when others copy paste information from others. If you plan on going further with this tutorial and plan on releasing it, then the changes I recommended are not optional, but required. You made it in .pdf format, which makes me think you might be going farther with it. You have unlimited edits in the tutorials section, so I think you can re-post the first tutorial if you need to.
MilitantEidolon
July 1st, 2004, 07:57 PM
haha, maybe I can only write when I need to.
Oh well if you guys feel that it is necessary for me to do that I will.
- MilitantEidolon
Oh well if you guys feel that it is necessary for me to do that I will.
- MilitantEidolon
XTC46
July 1st, 2004, 08:55 PM
to be fair nothing in networking at this point is common knowledge. Unless it is known widley by many different groups of people it is not common knowledge. For example You can go and ask almost anyone in the country who our president is and they will know. But if you were to a random perosn on the streets and ask what TCP/IP is or what FTP is chances are they wont.
Negative
July 1st, 2004, 09:52 PM
Who the president of a country is, is usually only common knowledge in that country.
What TCP/IP is, is usually only common knowledge in the circles of "computer"-people.
You set a limited group of people (Americans) amongst who there is common knowledge about who the president is, so you should also set a limited group of people (computer-people) amongst who there is common knowledge about what TCP/IP is.
It's not logical to say that there is no common knowledge about networking based on your comment that there is common knowledge about who the president is.
I bet there are more people in the world who know what TCP/IP is than there are people who know who the president of Belarus is...
What TCP/IP is, is usually only common knowledge in the circles of "computer"-people.
You set a limited group of people (Americans) amongst who there is common knowledge about who the president is, so you should also set a limited group of people (computer-people) amongst who there is common knowledge about what TCP/IP is.
It's not logical to say that there is no common knowledge about networking based on your comment that there is common knowledge about who the president is.
I bet there are more people in the world who know what TCP/IP is than there are people who know who the president of Belarus is...
moxnix
July 1st, 2004, 10:01 PM
What is Belarus? It has a president?
Yes Negative has a good point. Although it might make a difference if you are talking about a percapita basis (might not though considering Neg's example).
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bo.html
After seven decades as a constituent republic of the USSR, Belarus attained its independence in 1991. It has retained closer political and economic ties to Russia than any of the other former Soviet republics. Belarus and Russia signed a treaty on a two-state union on 8 December 1999 envisioning greater political and economic integration. Although Belarus agreed to a framework to carry out the accord, serious implementation has yet to take place.
Yes Negative has a good point. Although it might make a difference if you are talking about a percapita basis (might not though considering Neg's example).
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bo.html
After seven decades as a constituent republic of the USSR, Belarus attained its independence in 1991. It has retained closer political and economic ties to Russia than any of the other former Soviet republics. Belarus and Russia signed a treaty on a two-state union on 8 December 1999 envisioning greater political and economic integration. Although Belarus agreed to a framework to carry out the accord, serious implementation has yet to take place.
AngelicKnight
July 1st, 2004, 10:09 PM
Just goes to show everything's worth debating here in AO. :D
hjack
July 2nd, 2004, 09:08 PM
OMFG Soda_Popinsky
It's sorta like of APA or MLA citation to work it like that
STFU
and leave that nasty stuff @ class
:D :D
It's sorta like of APA or MLA citation to work it like that
STFU
and leave that nasty stuff @ class
:D :D
Soda_Popinsky
July 2nd, 2004, 09:13 PM
I before C except after E, cross your i's and dot your t's
:D
:D
hypronix
July 2nd, 2004, 09:24 PM
Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=259319#post765074) by MilitantEidolon
haha, maybe I can only write when I need to.
Oh well if you guys feel that it is necessary for me to do that I will.
- MilitantEidolon
so what is it, is AO unworthy of your proper writing?
not that i have ever considered there might be a time not to write properly, for any reason.
haha, maybe I can only write when I need to.
Oh well if you guys feel that it is necessary for me to do that I will.
- MilitantEidolon
so what is it, is AO unworthy of your proper writing?
not that i have ever considered there might be a time not to write properly, for any reason.
XTC46
July 2nd, 2004, 09:25 PM
very good point negative. But the fact still stands the the majority of networking technology is not considered general knowledge, my argument was inalid but my point was not.
AngelicKnight
July 2nd, 2004, 09:34 PM
Guys, why is it everytime we have a questionable tut we have to spend pages debating everything about it? I think the point's been well made now. These beating-of-the-dead-horse posts just continue to take away from any discussion that could take place regarding the actual topic.
So let's shush and move on.
So let's shush and move on.
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