Ok i just had a brain wave I know AO is a 'community' but its true purpose is security correct but i know a lot of members have made friends here and like to socialise. So my suggestion is that we make like a link on the front page like http://community.antionline.com or http://antionline.com/community and forms with all the non security content could be moved here and link to the community forums from the front page and do the same for the security forms that way people who are here just for chit chat and to shoot the **** can browse just that form and people who are just hear for securityand techy threads can just browse the security and techy side of the site and vice versa that way we can get the best of both worlds without the whole AO is a community conflict. Just one more thing do people think the antionline data base should be up-dated with new code tools exploits etc ? and move all the other crap to a directory called old ****/stuff/whatever and we could add member's code like ht's pyscan and stuff to the new archive after all the **** in the archive is really old and really out-dated its only purpose here is using disk space and for historical reasons.