Custom titles

[cheyenne1212]

Just kinda wondering here what would you guys think if Senior members only could get a custom title if they wished?

I talked to intmon about it and he suggested it after I asked him If I could get the word grasshopper as my cutom title.

I think if we did this though we should have some type of restriction though. I know it would only be for senior members, but lets face it, its not to hard to become a senior member now days. Maybe we could have something where you have to be a senior member and have 150+ posts in security related forums or something similiar to that.

Let me know what you think.

[MsMittens]

That sounds kinda fun. There'd have to be character limitations and such... :)

[DeadAddict]

I think it is a great idea it will make A.O more fun and breathe some life back into the site. and I think there should be a option where as you could change it if desired.

[cheyenne1212]

What do you think about the limitations though. By that I mean like how many posts, etc a person should have.

[pwaring]

I don't think it should really be based on post count, as that just provides another incentive to post whoring. As to security-related posts, I've mentioned before that they don't take into account the tutorials forum (which seems somewhat unfair) or places like web development where I tend to help out more.

Perhaps anyone with 1000+ APs would be eligible? Or even 1500 if you want to raise the limit higher.

[MsMittens]

I think it should be a combination of things (APs, posts in security areas, maybe min # of sec tuts). This makes it harder for a single person/member to "abuse" the system. Yes, it will happen that someone will do it but the more factors, the harder it is. So let's see what could be included:

- Positive AP count
- Regular Post count
- Security Post count
- length as a member (1 year+)

Other items that could be included?

[cheyenne1212]

1 more month and I'll of been here at AO for 1 year :D

I think that pretty much covers it Ms.Mittens

I like the idea of the postive AP count thing as you can't get a lot of greenies without doing something thats worth giving points out.

I do think that the limit shoud not be so high at 1000. Maybe it should, but theres some members here who don't have that many but do still post a little bit and have been around for a long time.


Maybe set it at 500 or so?

But if you don't think thats good then we'll do what you think would be a better number.

[DeadAddict]

500 antipoints seems like a good number it is not too high and not too low and shouldn't be that hard to earn that amount when helping and posting useful content.
1 year bah I got 5 months to go before I am here that long :(

[MsMittens]

Teehee.. did anyone see this thread? http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=&forumid=15&threadid=231655

[DeadAddict]

Ack nope didn't see that but I think this is better than bumping a thread that is from 07-02-2002 and have to either read the whole thread or click on the 3 to get to the last page

[MemorY]

I think it's a great idea.

The restrictions should be: (in my opinion) 700+ Ap's
275 posts in Security Forums (enough for an Addict)
I dont think that 1 year thing is that good because some mebers would have a lot of greens and maybe more posts in less time so it would be kind of unfair to them.
And i don't think it would be good that we can change them whenever we can, everybody would be changing them, it'd be confusing. Also no duplicate Titles, and words like Administrator or Moderator should not be allowed.

[valhallen]

Sounds good to me :)

As for limits IMHO
300+ posts in security forums (inc min 4 sec tuts)
100+ posts in other forums (inc min 2 non-sec tuts)
1500+aps
and been here 6 months or over

that should set the bar quite high so not everyone is running around with them but def make it obtainable....i said 6 months as that seems like a god length of time for some just starting at the site that if they really tried they could reach target...1 tut per month etc
but due to the high ap restriction they couldn't just spam their way in :)

i also agree with MemorY there should be limitations as to what can be choosen perhaps make it so that titles must be submited to an admin/mod for approval - and i dont think people should be able to change them whenever they please perhaps have a 2month limit on changing so if people do decide they want a change they can but not every other day!

v_Ln

[nebulus200]

I like the idea and think that it woudl fit nicely as an earned benefit of becoming a senior member. I would disagree with the number of tutorials though, IMHO, there are enough 'bad' tutorials as it is...

Maybe 1000-1500 AP's
750+ posts (I am not aware of if it is possible to seperate security from non security posts, but would be all for it if possible)
1 year here

/nebulus

[Agent_Steal]

How about adding underneath the member status the area where you post most frequently ? That way it would kinda give you an idea as to whom you could ask for help.

When it comes to tutorials before posting them. You could e-mail them to lets say 10 members who can them proof read your work and make sure that your info is correct and accurate and that your also not trying to palgerize. But of course these members should be choosen by the moderators.
[ I doubt many of you will agree with this but you never know. ]

Off Topic :
I have read many good suggestions on this site and many of them seem to just be forgotten or not paid attention to. I am not trying to neg I'm just curious.

[MsMittens]

How about adding underneath the member status the area where you post most frequently ? That way it would kinda give you an idea as to whom you could ask for help.

That wouldn't necessarily be accurate if all they do is ask questions in those areas like Newbie Security. It's an interesting thought. Maybe to expand on it those that post frequently and get positive APs in those areas?

I have read many good suggestions on this site and many of them seem to just be forgotten or not paid attention to. I am not trying to neg I'm just curious.

Priorities and what is feasible and what isn't. All the suggestions are read, although not necessarily responded to. But if every suggestion was implemented it might get a little messy. The reality is that JUPM does look through them and some get implement immediately, some get put on hold for further discussion and some are held on to for later consideration.

[skiddieleet]

I think these should be limitations:

275+ security posts
500+ AP's (cause it's hard to get 500 without contributing, I think 1500 is too much, but 1000 is not too far fetched, but I like 500)
6+ months a member

That would be my suggestion.

[moxnix]

Well, I would think it would be something that is hard to attain and show the true spirit of AO.
1) 1000 positive ap's
2) 1000 post (at least 1/2 in security)
3) Minimum 1 year as member
4) 4 quality security based tutorials

[MsMittens]

4 quality security based tutorials

What would define "quality"?

[Striek]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=253034#post707297) by MsMittens
What would define "quality"?

Either the AP value of that post or the number of replies it recieves, or both. In general, the better tutorials actually do get a better AP value than the crap ones, and they usually recieve more replies as well.

As far as a limit to set for custom titles, I will not suggest any limits as I find that most that are suggested here give the person replying with them just enough credit for a custom title under their name. I do think, however, that the limit should be set such that only 15 to 20, maybe 30, members are given a custom title based on them. I think that would be a good number to have them.

[MsMittens]

Either the AP value of that post or the number of replies it recieves, or both. In general, the better tutorials actually do get a better AP value than the crap ones, and they usually recieve more replies as well.

A lot of discussion is created for certain tutorials that aren't necessarily indicative of the quality of the tutorial and the reception of APs doesn't necessarily indicate how good a tutorial is (especially if someone has done 4 tutorials and everyone gave APs on the first one).

[lord_darkside_x]

i love the idea of custom titles.... but i don't know that there should be so many restrictions... for example the idea that one needs to have so many tutorials to do it seems a little off to me, since that will just inspire people to write crappy tutorials to meet the quota... i like the idea of using number of posts in conjunction with the number of ap's and the length of time here

[cheyenne1212]

Yeah I don't care to much for the tutorial part of it either.

I think if we had either a 500 or 750 AP limit and a minimun of 6 monts at AO, or a minimum of 375 or 415 posts shoudl work.

Or something similiar to that.

[GreekGoddess]

Personally, I like the idea of it just being a time-based feature. Make it an award for being an AO member for 2 years and up. You can't speed up the time process and this has been a feature that has been brought up on several occasions by far older members.

I think any other way the titles would just be handed out like candy, and like any other reward on this site, wouldn't be worth much, since everyone seems to reach it so quickly... (post count, AP's, etc.)

It would be something to look forward to for me as well, as I haven't been a member of the boards two years yet.

[valhallen]

As far as a limit to set for custom titles, I will not suggest any limits as I find that most that are suggested here give the person replying with them just enough credit for a custom title under their name.

not quite ;)
so far I'm the only one to suggest a target I havn't already reached (i mean that everyone elses limit suggestions I have already got enough or more - it is only my own suggestion that i dont have enough for yet) if that makes sense!? lol

I like GG's idea tho - but with one add-on
in order that some of the people who havn't been here for very long can acquire the status if deserved we could do like many other boards and hold competetions every so often with the winner recieving a custom title.....

like say.......a tutorials competetion on a certain area
all the people who submit their names are put in a poll and the community decides which tut was best - this encourages them to write good tuts as they aint gonna win with a crappy one and it also means AO gains some tuts on specific areas

just an idea - comp doesn't always have to be tuts - could be Avatar designs (get rid of those crappy default ones ;)) anything really

v_Ln

[pwaring]

Hmm, I like some of the ideas that are being proposed, but I think it's getting more and more complicated - e.g. tutorials, overall posts, security posts, antipoints. The simpler we keep the rule, the easier it will be for JM to implement and therefore the more likely that they'll get round to it.

Time since registering on AO is a good idea, because if you're still around after two years you're probably a decent contributor, have written the odd tutorial and have a reasonable number of APs anyway. It's also the only easy to implement way that no-one can cheat with - you can post whore, form AP alliances etc. but you can't make it appear that you registered two years ago unless you actually did.

[MemorY]

Thats fine with me:) Also a good idea, (btw: i have a 2 year old account) hehe:)

[Ennis]

Actually Val tutorial competitions sound like a really good idea to get things going and get people learning!

[SDK]

Time since registering on AO is a good idea, because if you're still around after two years you're probably a decent contributor, have written the odd tutorial and have a reasonable number of APs anyway. It's also the only easy to implement way that no-one can cheat with - you can post whore, form AP alliances etc. but you can't make it appear that you registered two years ago unless you actually did


I'm register since the very first day of AO forum (I have yet to find someone older to me in AO). After 2-3 months, I stop lurking those forum and I came back 1 year and half after. (June 2003).

I'm sure I'm not the only one who had sleeping account.

[valhallen]

me and Ennis aint far behind you SDK ;)
tho i took about a 6month vacation from forums for a while when i had no internet access

v_Ln

[pwaring]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=253034#post707701) by SDK
I'm register since the very first day of AO forum (I have yet to find someone older to me in AO). After 2-3 months, I stop lurking those forum and I came back 1 year and half after. (June 2003).

I'm sure I'm not the only one who had sleeping account.

Well, if the user_id is based on an auto_increment mySQL field (or the equivalent in whatever database server AntiOnline uses), I'm older than you because my userid is lower. ;)

[Agent_Steal]

Also many of you are saying you want quality posts. Then it could work like this:
[ I added steps to make it a little more clear to something that I suggested]
[1] Member writes a tutorial
[2] Sent to a Moderator[s], they read over it and add their suggestions on how to improve it and what not .....
[3] Moderator[s] send the tutorial to other members[ who is up to them??? ] who will read it and post their comments
[4] Member fixes whatever needs to be fixed and sends it once again to Moderator[s] they approve it
[5] Member posts his/her tutorial

Yes it might take longer for the tutorial to be posted and read by others but it will be of better quality. That's my opinion.

The time-based feature does sound like a good idea. 2 years seems like a good reasonable amount of time.

Yeah I was actually thinking along that line MsM.

Maybe to expand on it those that post frequently and get positive APs in those areas?

Yeah that would work great. But how many AP's would you suggest they receive before they get that ? 500 - 600 ? sounds decent ...

[debwalin]

Erm, been trying to think of a way to say this all the way thru reading the thread, and the only thing I can come up with is....all the rules are a stupid idea. What's anymore special about having a custom title than having a custom avatar? You achieve that at like 10 posts, I think. I know on my forums, it's a matter of clicking a yes or no button and filling in a blank...can a member have a custom title, and if yes, at what point? You are talking about a lot of pain in the ass stuff for a pretty small feature. I think if you have a custom title, it should come at a higher place than 10 posts, or whatever it is to get a custom avatar, but suggesting AP's, posts, tuts, and whatever else has been suggested is pretty dumb to me. It's not like you're giving them mod status or some huge feature, it's simply a way to customize your account a little more, like an avatar or a siggy. I would like to have a custom title, it would be fun, and make my account more personal. However, it's still not much more than an avatar or siggy.

That's my take on it.

[SDK]

Well, if the user_id is based on an auto_increment mySQL field (or the equivalent in whatever database server AntiOnline uses), I'm older than you because my userid is lower.

dude, you crash the party! The bubble is broken! For me, you were still Aug 2001 like me! hehe! I wonder if more of the 2500 membres before me are still active!

[valhallen]

Debs - my take on the custom avatar feature is that it would be like a site beefit for those who have been here a long time/contributed well.

As has been mentioned alot before the post status really means very little now as we have had people becoming addicts in like a couple of months so anyone can hit snr member quite quickly.

A custom rank would be a way of telling the good contributers from the post whores :)

v_Ln

[debwalin]

I dunno, I guess I just don't really see it that way. If you want to come up with something really different or special or something, but a custom title, while it would be cool, doesn't really seem like something that's going to stand out and say "oh, here's a really good member". I mean honestly, half the time I don't even pay attention to the titles now, and I rarely read moods...like I said, it would be a cool way of customizing your account, and I think it would be cool to have, but I just really don't see it as something that should require umpteen different qualifications.

[cheyenne1212]

I don't care now.

lol

I'll let the mods do what they think should be done then hope intmon reads it :D

[Shrekkie]

I wanna have a rank as DaMastaOgre

[SDK]

If wish people who have more that 500 posts in total and less that 100 in security forum have their title change to post whore! :)

[MsMittens]

That's not necessarily an accurate case if they are helping people with general OS questions (which do not appear in the security forums)

[Ennis]

Thats very true MsMittens plus I know of many people who post say in Web Security a lot who deserve any site benefit that somebody similar for Misc. Security deserves.

[SDK]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=253034#post708202) by MsMittens
That's not necessarily an accurate case if they are helping people with general OS questions (which do not appear in the security forums)

Ok... But it would be cool to have a custom title for post whore what ever is the formula to find who they are! :)

[mnstrgrl]

With no work at all (just changing settings) we could enable custom titles based on: reg date and number of posts. We could also limit the number of characters allowed in custom titles. If we want to include APs or only count posts to security forums in the cut-off, I would have to hack those things in.

I'd like to hear from intmon about this before I proceed with anything.

- h

[MsMittens]

Also need to limit certain titles as being off-limits like Administrator, moderator, etc..

[mnstrgrl]

MsM -- there's a setting we can use to do that as well.

- h

[MemorY]

Well enough people want it, now it's up to you guys which requirements we need to meet and if you are gonna implement this feature.

[SDK]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=253034#post709624) by mnstrgrl
With no work at all (just changing settings) we could enable custom titles based on: reg date and number of posts. We could also limit the number of characters allowed in custom titles. If we want to include APs or only count posts to security forums in the cut-off, I would have to hack those things in.

I'd like to hear from intmon about this before I proceed with anything.

- h

I like that. :)