a new kind of forum

[i90t@dd]

First of all I would like to apologize to the admin if this queston has been posted 1000's of times. I really enjoy your site, but i was wondering if there could be a forum for people who are just starting out could communicate with each other without having to waste alot of the experienced peoples time putting up our newb posts all over the boards. Which most newb questions are probably already on the site but the site is so vast sometimes its hard to find if you are new to this.

I understand there is a newb forum to learn the rules and read tutorials which is perfect, but if there was a forum that consolodated the super newbs into one place to help each other and just chat about what they have learned that would be great .

I would really like to learn a lot and I beleive this would help a great deal. Again I apologize if this idea has been asked before or if there is a newbie chat that is right under my nose( I got a.d.d. so i overlook the obvious sometimes).

If you did decide to make one of these forums it would need to be like super super noobish like kindearten class. Because alot of people who have a great deal of knowledge still consider themselves to be newbs. But if there was a supernoob forum we could ask eacher other the most primitive question without fear of being made fun of. Gotta crawl before you can walk.

so thanks for all the time you took to read this post that was probably way too long. And if there is a place like this just give me hyperlink and excuse my retardedness. i'll keep my idiocy to a minimum.

thx again
i90t@dd

[skiddieleet]

That's actually a good idea I think. I propose the name "Newbie Chit Chat". I'm not kidding either, I really like the idea. The only thing is that I would probably still creep in there and help people out. There should be a rule that no matter how obvious or dumb the question, you can't neg or make fun of them, if it is so obvious you should just answer it. I like this idea and hope it gets implemented. I think too many people get flamed for asking legitemate questions that the geniouses think are so obvious.

[Ennis]

This is actually a very good idea, wonder why nobody has thought of it before. Good idea again. ;)

[i90t@dd]

Thanks for the reply fellas. After reading some of the similar threads its apparant that many of the experienced people here have asked for and advanced type of forum and it seems the major motivation for that is redundant newb questions.

I totaly understand how frustrating it is to see a post that is irrelevant to the forum, my 2nd post on this site was something that shouldn't have been there and I was politely corrected by one of the members. The fact is that I should have known better but sometimes in all the exitement of learning new things that you find a great interest in you tend to overlook the etiquite.

If there was a "newbie chit chat" I think it would dramatically reduce the number of super noob questions on the forum. Also, it would be great if some of the advanced users wanted to volunteer some of thier support by helping with some of the newb posts but no one would have to feel obligated to do so. If somebody wrote something out of line they could be corrected but not flamed(unless it becomes habitual). This way its a win win situation for the newbs who really want to learn and the members who are experienced. It will keep us out of your hair but keep an open dialouge between the two.


thx for ya'lls imput
p.s. I was reading about the antipoints thing after i wrote this and it said that i gave negative antipoints one of you two guys so if that is the case i apologize it was an accident. I didn't know what i was doing.

[creative_32X_mx]

I think that this is a great idea. Me thinks that Intmon or who ever could make this possible should. it would stop the flaming and arguments, and the n00bies would have some were they could retreat to.
Well until they reach addicts forum..
And i know i would still go into that area, just so i could help those with there questions.
And i'm also suprised that this hasn't been mentioned or even brought up before, and i've just taken a little browse around the Forums and really there ain't no places for n00bies to go and ask there more simpler questions..
Anyhow that's my rant for the day..

cheers
creative

[el-half]

Yeah, this is really a great idea <-- the more people think this is great, the more chance an admin will add this forum he :)

[MsMittens]

I have a few thoughts/questions in regards to this:

1) What would stop an existing member from "abusing" a newb?

2) If it's all newbs talking to newbs and none of the newbs know the answer, then what?

3) what if the newb isn't that much of a newbie but rather has a specific question? If they are stuck in this "newb" forum where do they turn then?

4) Why can't General Chit Chat and Newbie Security be used for this? What your referring to is a cultural change in the AO society (not a bad thing) but adding a new forum doesn't solve that cultural issue. You'll still get those that ask questions like "How do I hack my g/f's email?". If no negs, then how are these dealt with?

5) Trolls. Most "trolls" would appear in the newbie level. If no negs are given, then what?

Just some things to think about.

[Ennis]

I dont think he means newbs should be confined to this forum it could just be a place they could start off in, plus trolls can be kept out with some vigilant modding perhaps getting a member to specify in this forum, Im sure there would be no lack of people willing to help out.

It could just be a forum that as a newb you could drop into and get friendly with othe newbs as well as asking each other questions and perhaps learning from each other, then if they get stuck they just ask in a different forum...

Not sure Im making sense, hectic essay day.

[i90t@dd]

Pretty good point. Nothing would really stop an exhisting member for flamming a but i think if people just understood that most of the questions on the forum would be of the newbish persuasion then maybe they wouldn't be so quick to flame as they would be in a regular forum.
Many people who asked the questions like "how can i hack my school?" could just be corrected and the noob would start to learn the etiquitte without getting defensive.

I don't want the forum to promote immaturity and fill up the website with newb wanna be hacker kids but those people will show up regardless and this forum would kind show people who want to learn a foundation. And this would maybe instill a sense of understanding and responsibility to the newcomers.

I'm still not quite up to date on the assigning of negs but i figure if somebody kept asking those kinds of questions could maybe be reported or something. Or they could receive negs if the never seemed to learn the posting rules.

I just figured if some one asked a non-newb question by accident then people would say like "man thats over my head" or "i have no idea, maybe they can tell on the general chit chat"

As far as newbs asking newbs questions i figured advanced members who would enjoy answering questions cuold do so if they wanted but if not we would find the answer somehow. And as far as chatting with each other there be people who would feel comfortable about sharing new things that they learned without feeling stupid.

Overall it seems like a great idea but being new here I don't know what deeper issues might be affected by something like this. So if you really think it would not be beneficial then i totally understand.

thanks

[MsMittens]

I'm not saying it isn't a potentially beneficial idea. I just wonder if we could use the resources that we have here rather than creating an entirely new forum. Like, how about this: Newbs for the most part are not to be negged unless they are obvious trolls (e.g, they post something like "ur all a bunch of nazi liberals!").

Dumb questions like "How do I hack hotmail" can be asked without fear of being negged and members attempt to sway or redirect the newb to more appropriate thought (sounds like brainwashing but I think you know what I mean).

The other that would concern me is how much more confusing this would make it for new members (yet another forum where they'd potentially post).

[Ennis]

How about a thread detailing how we should act to newbies, questions we should allow.

I would be willing to make a thread like that if you guys think its a good idea.

Just say the word.

[i90t@dd]

I see what you're saying msmittens. I guess the only way around that would be if a few advanced users kind of checked in kind of as moderators. without the moderators it would be difficult to stop the trolls from posting. Hopefully, somebody would like to volunteer to check in on the forums from time to time. I think Ennis has a great idea with the thread.

[Ennis]

Did it, have a peek.

Link. (http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=252178)

[groovicus]

Ok, so I'll throw this out, and I don't know if it's possible. Make it so anti-points are an earned benifit after , I dunno, 10 posts or so.... that way they have 10 posts to get an idea of what is expected. So we may have to deal with trolls for 10 posts, but if they continue to be pains, they will be negged out anyway....

I don't know if the coding would even allow for that....

[MemorY]

This is my idea: You can't assign AP's in the forum and that your post count doesn't increase after posting in that Forum. We should get a moderator in there ( to moderate that forum only ) to keep track of trolls and delete offensive threads and posts. I volunteer for being mod of that forum only. Or if todays moderators feel I shouldn't do that, that is fine, choose somebody like valhallen or Souleman who can be here often. I myself have internet access wherever i go so it would not be hard for me to moderate that forum :). Just a thought.

[Ennis]

Well Memory I guess its really up to intmon etc. who would mod the forums though I reckon you'd be just as good a candadate as any other.

[MemorY]

Yeah that's what i said, i would be good because wherever i go i have internet access and can check the forum out. I wouldn't get mad if i wasn'y the mod it was just a suggestion, of course any other senior who is here frequently would be good.

[Ratman2]

I'd like to second that Motion to make Memory Moderator of that Forum and that Forum only..
That way he would be the only person whom could assing Ap's, and just generally take care of that Forum..
Anyhow i'm sure that others would agree to Memory being the person in charge of this..
I know i would like to see him doing this, as he's someone that looks at both sides to the story, and will be able to make the right choice..
Anyhow there's my 2 cents..

cheers
Rtman

[Ennis]

Actually I would suggest Memory cannot assign AP's in that forum, that would be unfair.
As a moderator he would not need AP's to control a forum.

[MemorY]

Actually I would suggest Memory cannot assign AP's in that forum, that would be unfair.
As a moderator he would not need AP's to control a forum.


I feel the same way, i would PM the person first and tell him that it's not appropriate, if he/she doesn't stop i would delete the Thread/post.

[Ratman2]

Come on i think that the Moderators at the moment should talk about this, and seeing as no one else has raised there hands to Moderate that particular Forum, i think that Memory should be the person who should do it..!
Like he said, he's always gonna be here no matter were he is..
He's told us what he'd do once it was put into effect, and there isn't anyone against this idea..
So i think that this ball should be put into Motion..
Well that's just my idea anyhow..

Cheers
Rtman

[Alt_Ctrl_Delete]

I would like to also Nominate Memory..!
He's already helped me out so much since i've been a member here, and i think that the way that he handles situation defiantly makes him Moderator material..
even if it was for that particual Forum only, i know i would feel comfortable with Memory watching in the back ground so to speak..
As he's a very very patient person and he will find a way to relate to a person if they are playing up, he won't tell 'em off, i know that he'd simply warn them to watch what they say..
And i know that he'd also help with as much as he could..
Anyhow that's my rant done

cheers
Stacy..

[Ennis]

Well thats the way to do it, guess its up to intmon and the powers that be now.

[cheyenne1212]

What about me a mod??

*sniffles*

lol

I certainly think that this idea would certainly be a good edition to the AO site.

[scriptkiddie18]

Hey i'd love my good friend MemorY to be a mod of the new forum
He is cool and trustworhy and a nice guy ;)

[Ratman2]

then i guess all we need to do now is put up a request to Intmon..
And hopefully they will realise that Memory would make a great asset to the AO Community as a Mod..

Rtman

[MemorY]

Well i guess you guys should do that, it would be pathetic if i would do the request myself. Explain to him why you want the new forum and everyhting, Don't just say one line.