The AntiPoints System Is Now Online!

[JP]

Greetings All:

Well, now you have a way to weed out the bad users from the good users, while at the same time building your own reputation on this community.

Welcome To The AntiPoints System!

If you post high quality and thoughtful messages, your fellow members will approve of your posts. By their approval you gain AntiPoints. If you post incorrect, misleading, harassing, or messages against the guidelines, they will disapprove and you will lose AntiPoints.

Your "AntiPoints Rating" will be displayed underneath all of your posts. Only you will know your exact number of AntiPoints -- you can view this by clicking on the AntiPoints icon on the right hand side of your own post or through the "Account Overview (http://www.antionline.com/usercp.php)" link under the "Your Account" box on the main page. For every 100 points positive or negative, you will gain another "AntiPoints Rating" light. After 5 lights, they will take twice as long to appear.

What Does this Mean For You?

This will allow you to quickly see the resident forum idiots. It allows you to sort the signal from noise by checking the user's "AntiPoints Rating". It will also encourage more thoughtful posts from other members as the AntiPoints will serve as a reward for helping others.

The amount of AntiPoints that you give or take away is determined by a number of factors -- if you're an old respected user, you might give 7 AntiPoints with each click, while a newbie may give only 1.

You also can earn AntiPoints by rating other user's posts, visiting the forums on a regular basis, and a host of other "undisclosed ways". In short, the more you contribute to other members in this community, the more AntiPoints you earn for yourself.

In the future, you will be able to "spend" your AntiPoints on additional site features and gear.

We have dozens of checks and balances installed, that will help limit abuse and fraud of this system. If you are caught attempting to abuse the AntiPoints System, your account will be removed. Period!


I hope that everyone makes use of this exciting new feature. Your suggestions and thoughts about it are always welcome!

[sparky3223]

Sweeet! Baby.

[casper3699]

Thanx that answered my question.:D

[Paul Zest]

*hahaha* Oh dear, behaviour modifer control freak antipoints.

I love this site, but points for good behaviour won't change my unpopular views on issues or restrain my use of <sarcasm> font!

PZ :P

[Bad_N3wZ]

No Sir, I don't like it.

Free Speech is fast becoming a thing of the past on the Internet. What, with moderators etc booting you out of chat rooms and what not because they don't like or agree with what you have to say.

Now we have a points system. The most "popular" has the most points. It will no longer be an open discussion of differing opinions but a points race. "I'd better not disagree with him because I might get some negative points"...

Anyway, just my opinion and we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

[Terr]

It's a neat idea, like the old forum rating, but I'm not that sure how it will pan out. Just a suggestion if not already done, a user can't give points to others unless they've been on for a week. That would keep people from scripting some sort of 'register, make negative antipoints for people I don't like, positive ones for myself, repeat' routine.

[MsMittens]

I actually like the idea. I've been playing an online game that requires posting to generate points. When users post and are suspectible to be rated on their quality, whether by a script or by other users, the quality of the discussion goes higher.

Some discussions here have been informative and helpful as well as challenging. Some have been a waste of bandwidth. This whole points system, from my understanding, should help lessen the wastes of time and generate more meaningful discussion.

[tripstone]

Thank you very much JP...for the people who don't feel like they're worth much in their off-net lives (such as me) it sure helps to have a way to feel important on-net...what a great idea...keep them up dude...

[JP]

Greetings:

The idea is not to stop people from posting different view points, etc. It is to stop people from posting different view points in an inappropriate manner (aka swearing at people, etc.) Also, to stop stupid questions like "How do I hack hotmail" or "Where can I get a serial number for...." Also, it rewards users who spend their time helping others, along with asking intelligent questoins.

There are a LOT of checks and balances in place. The amount of points awarded, or taken away, from your AntiPoints total when a user rates your posts varies depending on a number of criteria, including how long the user has been a member, how many posts they've made, how many AntiPoints they have (ie, that other users have given them), etc. etc. A user that causes trouble, for example, won't have any effect on your SitePoint total when they rate their post, where I have a major effect on your total when I rate them (along with other admins / moderators). Users who have made a lot of helpful posts will have more of an effect than a newbie that's only asked 2 or 3 questions on the forums, etc. etc.

As I said before, those that earn AntiPoints will eventually be able to use them to "buy" additional features on the site, or gear (everything from AntiOnline tshirts to security software, etc. etc.) I want to reward those that make AntiOnline a better place by helping others and by exchanging ideas. At the same time, I want to limit the ability of trouble makers from taking away from that experience.....

[ivan37]

JP - wonderful...completely and utterly wonderful...

I'll admit, I was a tad skeptical at first, but then I tried to downvote someone twice (not on purpose) and it said I had to spread the points around before I could downvote the person again. All I gotta say is "wow". From just a user's perspective it is great and from a web design perspective it is even more amazing.

To top it off, to reward those with high points is even more wonderful. You definately outdid yourself this time.

[Simon Templer]

I think the "AntiPoints" system will be a great addition to the site!

Good Idea JP

[obi]

Excellent idea, I can think of a couple of other sites that would benefit from a similar program.

cheers

[KaKoKoOl]

Cool step for the site which make it differ from other and better ,

[Alexzel]

Great idea JP!


I believe that the AntiPoints system doesn’t suppress the freedom to air one’s ideas. It must not also be taken just a means for gaining popularity on AO.

AntiPoints is rather a tool that helps in preserving and maintaining sensibility within the forum. It encourages members to think twice or more before posting. Freedom of expressing one’s idea/s is not as simple as just voicing-out one’s thoughts. Sensibility and responsibility must be exercise as well.

I also believe that the AntiPoints shall promote further camaraderie within the forum, by encouraging the growth of respect among members.

JP :thumbsup:
I expect to pass through this world but once. Any good therefore that I can do, or any kindness that I can show to any fellow creature, let me do it now. Let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again. WILLIAM PENN

[Gobinjf]

Really cool idea and realisation even if I find a bit sad that we need a tool to seed out good posters from bad ones.

But yes, I agree, to many posts on "how do I get a serial crack for hotmail" ...

Jean-Francois

[FlashOveride]

I believe that censorship is usually fought for by the idiots of the US. Idiots and those without common sense fight for this right because it is the only thing that protects them.

I am glad to see that we are finally going to start regulating those people who think they know something but post because they don't read first.

I can't wait to rate....but poor negative what ever are you going to do. Maybe they need a flame section where you can flame those who come in there for points....LOL

[DjM]

Good one John, this could be fun.
:D

[makija]

:cool:


He this will separate bad users from good hehe i like this idea hehehe good work jp

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[intruder]

i liked this system...very very much....good...keep it up...

all the best....

intruder.... :firedevil

[Ennis]

I like this feature, it makes you think before you post, to be constructive and think before you flame, damn JP thats making life very easy for yourself!

[casper3699]

What if they give you a negative reply for no reason. I tried helping the guy in "Red Hat 7.1 getting online? " And now it says that they gave me a negative anti point. So i get negative points for trying to help?:confused:

[smellkid]

There is only one main reason that I don't like the AntiPoints System. If, for horrible reason :D , someone disagrees with the point that I am making, and I have presented it in a thoughtful, well-composed post, the people might still take away some of my points. It seems like they can do this even though it's not the purpose of the System.

[Galdron]

I feel that it is a good idea to maintain a certain level, of accountability within this and other sites. However i find that a great deal of self policing is already being done by members. I have been in one flame war since my first post, and after I read what I had written I felt ....well, pretty stupid. Let alone the backlash from other members, I then appologized to the person in Question (Ennis), via private message. At the same time some people just come here to give grief to others as some sort of sick hobby. I think JP has come up with a great way to "Tag" these people, so that serious members who want to have a good experience, will know who to avoid. Hope its not me ROFLMAO.

[greyhairedwolf]

I like it very much thanks

[Negative]

Originally posted by Smellkid
There is only one main reason that I don't like the AntiPoints System. If, for horrible reason , someone disagrees with the point that I am making, and I have presented it in a thoughtful, well-composed post, the people might still take away some of my points. It seems like they can do this even though it's not the purpose of the System.
I agree with you, Smellkid, but I tend to believe we all are grown-up adults here.
I'm pretty sure I've read all of the post on these forums, and I categorize them (or the people who post them) like this:

1. Giovanni-posts: pointless, non-structured, senseless posts.
2. Posts exposed as copy-and-pasted. We all know what I'm talking about...
3. Pointless posts ('I agrea with you...hehehe'. End of post). Hence the typo.
4. Non-structured posts that actually make a point. Nothing wrong with them.
5. Structured posts that don't make a point. Haven't seen too many of those, though...
6. Posts asking to hack Hotmail. Don't even deserve Red Antipoints.
7. Structured, well-written, off-topic posts.
8. Structured, well-written, informational posts.

Hence structured and well-written posts often are the informational ones...

You can disagree with something said and reply to the poster stating your opinions, explaining why you think he's not right. And I guess there are different ways to do that (stone-cold proof, flaming,...). Some might not agree, but I don't see anything wrong with that.
Giving negative Antipoints though is not the way to do it...

Edit: stonecold...hehe...

[Havanger]

I think that this is a good idea. it will keep a majority of people with one tracked minds ignored. i give props to ya for it

-havanger

[knightmb]

I think as long as people don't see this as the "this person is this way" kind of system, everyone should be fine. What if Negative (sorry to pick on you :D ) had a bunch of negative points because no one agreed with him on a certain point or didn't understand what he said, or just wanted to be an *sshole. I wouldn't instatly turn away and think that everything he posts is crap. I've seen what he writes and how he helps people, talked to him over IRC, etc. I've already formed my general opinion about him (it's a good one :p ). I think the checks and balances here will assure that people that try to help, inform, educate, etc will always be in good standing. I'm sure everyone will look at their profile one day and see a negative point with the comment "I am l337" and maybe wonder why? What am I getting at? Don't take these points as a personal attack on what kind of person you are, as I'm afraid some people here will :cool:

Edit:
Wanted to add that I've noticed it doesn't tell you *who* posted the comment, which I think is just fine, but I try to put my username afterwards, just so people know :)

[Paul Zest]

Oh NO!!! I'm getting negative(minus) AntiPoints for going against the grain *LoL*

I'm obviously going to have to follow the rest of the sheep so I can get extra plus points.

NEVER !
PZ

[stflook]

I must say, I don't like this system at all. Lately, if I post anything that somebody simply disagrees with, I get clobbered with negative antipoints, and I've even had one person give me negative antipoints because he didn't like what I had to say (I think), and I said nothing wrong. Yet, whenever I say something thoughtful, it's like I'm invisible. Result? I get screwed over. :verypisse

[makija]

:cool:



hehehehehehhehee stflook you are not only one hehehe i am same as you and am simply traing to be good and post good stuff but all i get back is negativvvvv p0|nts eheheheh but hey its good only important thing is that i get some answers and learns ome stuff ehhehe


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[Negative]

Makija, you could start by using interpunction, I guess. And while you're at it, try avoiding the 'hehehhe'. You sound like a sneeky rat...

[ZeroOne]

Originally posted by stflook
I must say, I don't like this system at all. Lately, if I post anything that somebody simply disagrees with, I get clobbered with negative antipoints, and I've even had one person give me negative antipoints because he didn't like what I had to say (I think), and I said nothing wrong.

As soon as you get a negative point, you start moaning... ;) Not... :rolleyes:
What if one were forced to give the explanation when giving AntiPoints? I think not-so-many people would like to write "I think your thoughts are stupid", or something. Of course, that could be ignored by just entering klsdglkh, but to that kind of point-giving you could reply with a red point. (Added afterwards: oh, you can't see who sent the points... and it looks like there are no red points, just green+gray? or when do I get red points? Looks like I've gotten three green + two grays (which both were positive??)) Like in JP's original post, everyone has got their right to say their own opinions when it follows these rules...:

Originally posted by JP
If you post incorrect, misleading, harassing, or messages against the guidelines, they will disapprove and you will lose AntiPoints.

-ZeroOne :cool:

[makija]

:cool:

sory negative but i lough alotu so heeh you no its hard to stop but if it is that big problem i will stop
sory dood


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[ZeroOne]

Originally posted by makija
sory negative but i lough alotu so heeh you no its hard to stop but if it is that big problem i will stop
sory dood

You could replace those hehehehees with just one :D... And could you please consider about using a spell checker?

-ZeroOne :cool:

[makija]

:cool:
no problem if is that problem al stop i see some of you dont like it but its way i talk and if you dont like it sory:argue: see ya leather d00dz :D

[stflook]

Actually, I kinda like that idea of forcing an explanation for giving points. I wouldn't stop the people who abuse them, but maybe the people who are so liberal with the negative antipoints will back off a little.

[stflook]

While I'm still busy whining here, what's this about incorrect answers deserving negative antipoints? Aren't most of us here to learn? It's pretty hard to learn without making mistakes. If somebody posts BLATANTLY incorrect answers, I understand. Is that what this means, just the blatantly incorrect answers?

[ronin13]

I certainly agree with a points system,JP.I don't believe the intention is to stifle opinions at all,(as some of the posts seem to be implying)but to stimulate civilized and intelligent discussion about a given subject.As we are all reasonably intelligent individuals here the least we can do is conduct ourselves as such.I personally do not have the time nor patience to contend with a juvenile attitude,but would willingly make the time to participate in a discussion with any group or individual who is willing to converse in a reasonable manner.This is all about learning.....we aren't always going to be right or wrong.....we may all have varying degrees of experience......this should be a forum for making new friends and contacts.......attitudes should be left at the door.Everyone is entitled to an opinion or view point,but we shouldn't forget common courtesy to all.Treat others as you wish to be treated.......thanks to those who make this type of open forum available.......and lets try not to abuse the privilege extended to us here.

[intruder]

..i agree that the antipoints system is good but ..i suffered a lot ...
initially i was having a pretty good 10 points...then some of them gave me negetive points only becase i wrote some posts in block letters or caps....i also got some messages that
"release that caps it annoys me lot....."

now this cannot be one good reason to give negetive points.and that has droped me from 10 to -8 .....

this is not fair..... :confused

intruder..... :borg:

[greyhairedwolf]

Originally posted by intruder
..i agree that the antipoints system is good but ..i suffered a lot ...
..then some of them gave me negetive points only becase i wrote some posts in block letters or caps
:confused

intruder..... :borg:

Hi intruder..I don't know about everyone else..and I am just trying to think..I don't think I gave you any negative points, But I do know that it is usually considered rude and yelling on message boards, chat rooms and email to use all-caps so that could bother some people. Hopefully your points will return to multiple green soon..I personally find your post's interesting

[makija]

look at me i have two red man is it that bad??


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[ZeroOne]

Check my newest message about these things here (http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=252811#post252811). Same topic but a different thread. A little summary about the message: Now a Jr Member, a Member and a Senior Member give different amount of points. Let's add a second variable: anonymity!

-ZeroOne :cool:

[intruder]

Originally posted by greyhairedwolf


Hi intruder..I don't know about everyone else..and I am just trying to think..I don't think I gave you any negative points, But I do know that it is usually considered rude and yelling on message boards, chat rooms and email to use all-caps so that could bother some people. Hopefully your points will return to multiple green soon..I personally find your post's interesting

thanks for the post...grey...but u see this sometimes hurts...and..i am sure i got negetive points...for that caps only. because it was written in the comments like that...
anyway...i hope jp is watching this.....

anyway..thanks a lot for the complement....

intruder.... :borg:

[TeKRoMaNCeR]

I'm gonna save up all my points and get the antionline lunchbox!

[Ennis]

Originally posted by TeKRoMaNCeR
I'm gonna save up all my points and get the antionline lunchbox!

LOL.:D

[mitymousse]

JP,

As a NEWBIE, I feel your system of point's and ratings is GREAT! How better to gain respect in a community and be able to have some indicator as to ones trustworthiness with regards to their posts and replies.

I only hope I can achieve a higher status by being intelligent and helpful!!

I learn from others better than from books, so this is a community that I can learn a lot from, and contribute!

Thanks!

[linuxcomando]

Wow this sounds like a cool idea. It will be an easier way to weed out the bad from all of the good. Very good idea.:)

[darkadon]

i think (hope) that this will work and i only wan't to say i smell abuse and i don't wan't that somebody will abuse this alrighty?
greets to ya all
dark adon

[psychosquee]

Unfortunately, as with all the really good scripts and other prevention means, someone will find a way to either counteract it, or break it all together...I won't surprised if a user goes from 0 points to 150 in one day, and not by answering a lot of people's questions either.

[psychosquee]

Unfortunately, as with all the really good scripts and other prevention means, someone will find a way to either counteract it, or break it all together...I won't surprised if a user goes from 0 points to 150 in one day, and not by answering a lot of people's questions either.

[stflook]

That has already happened. JP went from 0 to god only knows how many anitpoints in no time flat. :bigsmile:
Of course, I'd do that too if I was the administrator, but I'm not. :cry:

[Terr]

Originally posted by stflook
That has already happened. JP went from 0 to god only knows how many anitpoints in no time flat. :bigsmile:
Of course, I'd do that too if I was the administrator, but I'm not. :cry:

Now, I'm waiting for JP to let me know if he's fixed some board stuff...

All my antipoints are from honest and hard-working people (I.E.: Not me)...

But I belive Seb-G went from no antipoints to five red dots in no time flat... Actually, it took a few minutes...
:halo: :halo: :halo:

[stflook]

Originally posted by Terr


Now, I'm waiting for JP to let me know if he's fixed some board stuff...

All my antipoints are from honest and hard-working people (I.E.: Not me)...

But I belive Seb-G went from no antipoints to five red dots in no time flat... Actually, it took a few minutes...
:halo: :halo: :halo:

Yea, you dropped him like an old fart. :fart:
(begging and trying to look pitiful) Does it work the other way? (giving the Bambi eyes)

[digim0rtal]

:) I'm new to this site and I check it out many times daily. I had no idea what the antipoints system was about, but now that its been clarified I think its an excellent idea. Keep up the good work. Peace.

[Galdron]

I have been stuck on my current number of "AP", for a week now. I know I've been given some. For better, or for worse.


P:

[intruder]

hey pls somebody give me positive points....it had beeen looong time i have seen that green signal....hhahahaha

intruder...

[Terr]

Originally posted by stflook


Yea, you dropped him like an old fart. :fart:
(begging and trying to look pitiful) Does it work the other way? (giving the Bambi eyes)

Nah, JP just sent me a PM. It's fixed now, and I am freed from the terrible strain of not trying to match JP's number of APs.

[stflook]

Originally posted by intruder
hey pls somebody give me positive points....it had beeen looong time i have seen that green signal....hhahahaha

intruder...

You will have to EARN your antipoints. Asking people to give you them for free is not a good idea. If I come across a post that deservs them in the near future, I will give them to you.

[uraloony]

Good idea JP, keep up the good ideas! :)

[whitehacker]

This is soooo swwweeeetttt!!!!!!

-White Hacker:cool:







:fart:

[intruder]

Originally posted by stflook


You will have to EARN your antipoints. Asking people to give you them for free is not a good idea. If I come across a post that deservs them in the near future, I will give them to you.

hey hey man ..stflook i was just joking ok...u should always give points for good threads ok and not for free.....
but soon i am going to post ....one very good thread ok...

intruder... :borg:

[BRISTOLJACK]

:) Great idea,if it keeps the sad people from ripping the net apart,I 'm for it

[SolidPez]

The AntiPoints system is a brillant idea. I hope other websites see this system and make a variation of it for their own boards! Great thinking JP.

[pwaring]

AntiPoints are a great idea, so long as people don't start abusing them by giving someone loads of negative points (which JP seems to have stopped them doing anyway).

Well done JP! (now what's next???)

[evilseed]

Well, I have a lil comment on antipoints.. It is great and all but users like me who are the digital anarchist type at heart (not but blowing up stuff but I am unpleased by windows xp. If I say i think windows xp sucks.. bamm screen full of negative antipoints.

heh oh well.. antipoints seems to please the mass so i shall conform in my nonconformist way.

[psychosquee]

:confused:Are they JUST for showing one's status in the AntiOnline community, or are they for something else? What happens when somebody reaches a certian amout of Anti Points? Do they get something? A lunch box perhaps? That would be nice, or even a t-shirt.:confused:

[Ennis]

Originally posted by evilseed
Well, I have a lil comment on antipoints.. It is great and all but users like me who are the digital anarchist type at heart (not but blowing up stuff but I am unpleased by windows xp. If I say i think windows xp sucks.. bamm screen full of negative antipoints.

heh oh well.. antipoints seems to please the mass so i shall conform in my nonconformist way.

The History of Anarchism
by Brian Crabtree (1992)

The rejection of authority dates back to the Stoics and Cynics, and
has been around for millenia. However, the terms anarchist, anarchism, and
anarchy, from the Greek "an archos" (without a rule), were used entirely in a
negative manner before the nineteenth century.

~ Proudhon and the Mutualists ~

In 1840, in his controversial "What Is Property", French political
writer and socialist Pierre-Joseph Proudhon became the first person to call
himself an Anarchist. In this book, Proudhon stated that the real laws of
society have nothing to do with authority, but stem instead from the nature of
society itself. He also predicted the eventual dissolve of authority and the
appearence of a natural social order. "As man seeks justice in equality, so
society seeks justice in anarchy. Anarchy - the absence of a sovereign - such
is the form of government to which we are every day approximating." He was a
'peaceful anarchist'; he believed that within existing society, the
organizations could be created that would eventually replace it. Proudhon was
born in 1809, originally a peasant, the son of a brewer. His "What Is Property"
and "System of Economic Contradictions" established him in the socialist
community. Later he went on to write "The Federal Principle" and "The
Political Capability of the Working Class".

Although he declared in "What Is Property" that "property is theft",
he did not support communism, and regarded the right of workers to control the
means of production as an important part of freedom. He never considered
himself the originator of a movement, but he did propose a federal system of
autonomous communes. He had many followers, but they preferred the title
'Mutualists' to 'Anarchists'; Anarchism still bore a negative connotation.
Proudhon and the Mutualists, along with British tradeunionists and socialists,
formed the First International Workingmen's Association.

~ Bakunin and Collectivism ~

"The passion for destruction is also a creative passion" - These words
would accurately summarize the position of Mikail Bakunin and the
Collectivists. Bakunin believed that Anarchy was only possible through a
violent revolution, obliterating all existing institutions. He was originally
a nobleman, but became a revolutionary and joined the International in the
1860's, after founding the Social Democratic Alliance and modifying Proudhon's
teachings into a new doctrine known as Collectivism. Bakunin taught that
property rights were impractical and that the means of production should be
owned collectively. He was strongly opposed to Karl Marx, also a member of
the International, and his ideas of a proletarian dictatorship. This conlict
eventually tore the International apart in 1872. He died in 1876, but the
next International that he and the Collectivists started in 1873 lasted for
another year. Later, his followers finally accepted the title of 'Anarchist'.

~ Prince Peter Kropotkin ~

In 1876, when he became a revolutionary, Peter Kropotkin renounced his
title of Prince and became successor to Mikail Bakunin. He developed the
theory of Anarchist Communism: not only should the means of production be owned
collectively, but the products should be completely communized as well. This
revised Thomas More's Utopian idea of storehouses, "From each according to his
means, to each according to his needs." Kropotkin wrote "The Conquest of
Bread" in 1892, in which he sketched his vision of a federation of free
Communist groups. In 1899 he wrote "Memoirs of a Revolutionist", an
autobiographical work, and "Fields, Factories, and Workshops", which put
forward ideas on the decentralization of industry necessary for an Anarchist
society. He later proved by biological and sociological evidence that
cooperation is more natural than coercion ("Mutual Aid: A Factor in Evolution"
- 1902). Kropotkin's writings completed the vision of the Anarchist future,
and little new has been added since.

~ The Anarchist Movement ~

Even before Proudhon entered the scene, Anarchist activism was going
on. The first plans for an Anarchist commonwealth were made by an Englishman
named Gerrard Winstanley, who founded the tiny Digger movement. In his 1649
pamphlet, "Truth Lifting Up Its Head Above Scandals", he wrote that power
corrupts, that property is incompatible with freedom, and that men can only be
free and happy in a society without governmental interference, where work and
its products are shared (what was to become the foundation for Anarchist
theory in the years to come). He led a group of followers to a hillside where
they established an Anarchist village, but this experiment was quickly
destroyed by local opposition. Later another Englishman, William Godwin,
would write 'Political Justice', which said that authority was against nature,
and that social evils exist because men are not free to act according to
reason.

Among Italian Anarchists, an activist attitude was prevalent. Said
Errico Malatesta in 1876, "The insurrectionary deed, destined to affirm
socialist principles by acts, is the most efficacious means of propaganda."
The first acts were rural insurrections, meant to arouse the uneducated
citizens of the Italian countryside, but these were unsuccessful. Afterward
this activism tended to take the form of individual acts of protest by
'terrorists', who attempted to assassinate ruling figures in the hope of
demonstrating the vulnerability of the structure of authority and inspiring
others by their self-sacrifice. From 1890- 1901, a chain of assassinations
took place: King Umberto I, Italy; Empress Elizabeth, Austria; President
Carnot, France; President McKinley, United Stated; and Spanish Prime Minister
Antonio C novas del Castillo. Unfortunately, these acts had the opposite
effect of what was intended- they established the idea of the Anarchist as a
mindless destroyer.

Also during the 1890's, many French painters, writers, and other
artists discovered Anarchism, and were attracted to it because of its
individualist ideas. In England, writer Oscar Wilde became an Anarchist, and
in 1891 wrote "The Soul of Man Under Socialism".

Anarchism was also a strong movement in Spain. The first Anarchist
journal, "El Porvenir", was published in 1845, but was quickly silenced.
Branches of the International were established by Guiseppe Fanelli in Barcelona
and Madrid. By 1870, there were over 40,000 Spanish Anarchists members; by
1873, 60,000, mostly organized in workingmen's associations, but in 1874 the
movement was forced underground. In the 1880's and '90's, the Spanish
Anarchist movement tended toward terrorism and insurrections.

The Spanish civil war was the perfect opportunity to finally put ideas
into action on a large scale. Factories and railways were taken over. In
Andalusia, Catalonia, and Levante, peasents seized the land. Autonomous
libertarian villages were set up, like those described in Kropotkin's 'The
Conquest of Bread'. Internal use of money was abolished, the land was tilled
collectively, the village products were sold or exchanged on behalf of the
entire community, and each family recieved an equal share of necessities they
could not produce themselves. Many of these such communes were even more
efficient than the other villages. Although the Spanish Anarchists failed
because they did not have the ability to carry out sustained warfare, they
succeeded in inspiring many and showing that Anarchy can work efficiently.

Although two of the greatest Anarchist leaders, Bakunin and Kropotkin,
were Russian, totalitarian censorship managed to supress most of the movement,
and it was never very strong in Russia. Only one revolutionary, N.I. Makhno, a
peasant, managed to raise an insurrectionary army and, by brilliant guerilla
tactics, took temporary control of a large part of the Ukraine from both Red
and White armies. His exile in 1921 marked the death of the Anarchist
movement in Russia.

Throughout American history, there has been a tradition of both
violent and pacifist Anarchism. Henry David Thoreau, a nonviolent Anarchist
writer, and Emma Goldman an Anarchist activist, are a couple of examples.
Activist Anarchism, however, was mainly sustained by immigrants from Europe.
In the late 1800's, Anarchism was a part of life for many. In 1886, four
Anarchists were wrongfully executed for alleged involvement in the Haymarket
bombing, in which seven policemen were killed. President McKinley was
assassinated in 1901 by Leon Czolgosz, a Polish Anarchist.

Especially since 1917, Anarchism has appealed to intellectuals. In
1932, Aldous Huxley wrote "Brave New World", which warned of a mindless,
materialistic existence a modernized society could produce, and in the
'Foreword' of the 1946 edition, he said that he believed that only through
radical decentralization and a politics that was "Kropotkinesque and
cooperative" could the dangers of modern society be escaped. After World War
][, Anarchist groups reappeared in almost all countries where they had once
existed, excepting Spain and the Soviet Union. In the 1970's, Anarchism drew
much attention and interest, and rebellious students often started collectives.
Still published is a monthly British publication, called "Anarchy", which
applies Anarchist principles to modern life.

Anarchism, although often mistakenly thought of as violent and
destructive, is not that at all. Anarchists, though some may advocate a
swift and violent revolution, envision a peaceful and harmonious society,
based on a natural order of cooperation rather than an artificial system based
on coercion.

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And you call yourself a Digital Anarchist?
And and for the young man who gave me a red antipoints for this at least give a worthwhile explanation and stop abusing the system please.

[ZeroOne]

Some thoughts about AntiPoints... I think it would be good if closed threads were blocked from AP-giving. I've gotten some negative points for my messages from already closed threads. OK, now I'm just whining because I get negative points? Well, let's also block the entire Role Call -forum for AP-giving, I got some positive AP's for my message there, reason was/reasons were something like "nice english!". I feel a bit guilty about that but the negative points I got from closed threads obviously fixed it... ;) Maybe writing to Role Call could automatically give you an AP or two, just to give courage to new members to write about themselves.

-ZeroOne :cool:

[limp1058]

Well its certainly a different system from what i've seen else where....

[cheez_cake]

I think some people don't appreciate the point system. It actually helps all of us! ex: this prevents someone or atleast makes it much more difficult for them to use to seperate user i.d.'s. thus as JP said, you can tell whose advice to take over someone who is full of crap.... this is useful to new AO joiners :D

[porus]

wowie
me likes what me just read about the anti point thingie and all.
IMPRESSIVE !!!!!
radical dude radical mind blowing
definately something good :)
keep up the good worx peoplaan of the forum

best wishes ;)

[jcmcb]

Seems like everyone has an opinion and here is mine:

I WANT FREE STUFF!!!!

But seriously, I like this idea so far....

[sebastos12]

Originally posted by JP
Greetings All:

Well, now you have a way to weed out the bad users from the good users, while at the same time building your own reputation on this community.

Welcome To The AntiPoints System!

If you post high quality and thoughtful messages, your fellow members will approve of your posts. By their approval you gain AntiPoints. If you post incorrect, misleading, harassing, or messages against the guidelines, they will disapprove and you will lose AntiPoints.

Your "AntiPoints Rating" will be displayed underneath all of your posts. Only you will know your exact number of AntiPoints -- you can view this by clicking on the AntiPoints icon on the right hand side of your own post or through the "Account Overview (http://www.antionline.com/usercp.php)" link under the "Your Account" box on the main page. For every 100 points positive or negative, you will gain another "AntiPoints Rating" light. After 5 lights, they will take twice as long to appear.

What Does this Mean For You?

This will allow you to quickly see the resident forum idiots. It allows you to sort the signal from noise by checking the user's "AntiPoints Rating". It will also encourage more thoughtful posts from other members as the AntiPoints will serve as a reward for helping others.

The amount of AntiPoints that you give or take away is determined by a number of factors -- if you're an old respected user, you might give 7 AntiPoints with each click, while a newbie may give only 1.

You also can earn AntiPoints by rating other user's posts, visiting the forums on a regular basis, and a host of other "undisclosed ways". In short, the more you contribute to other members in this community, the more AntiPoints you earn for yourself.

In the future, you will be able to "spend" your AntiPoints on additional site features and gear.

We have dozens of checks and balances installed, that will help limit abuse and fraud of this system. If you are caught attempting to abuse the AntiPoints System, your account will be removed. Period!


I hope that everyone makes use of this exciting new feature. Your suggestions and thoughts about it are always welcome!

You are the best guy JP :cool: and thankz ;) .

[Ouroboros]

Originally posted by JP
If you post high quality and thoughtful messages, your fellow members will approve of your posts. By their approval you gain AntiPoints. If you post incorrect, misleading, harassing, or messages against the guidelines, they will disapprove and you will lose AntiPoints.

You forgot to mention "Things that others don't agree with". The idea is pure, but has, of course, been corrupted.

Ouroboros

[anuapsap]

Well, its a nice thing to have such a system in place, As a new one to this place, i think it will give a good overview of whose opinion is countable. excuse me for some errors i had made. so nice mr.john, U R doing a wondrful job

[friqid]

okay anti points, someone been playing AD@D ;]

i like the idea myself.

[uraloony]

I like the potential of being able to buy gear and such... Its pretty kool!

[XAcidist]

Thanks, i know nothing about this place, and every little bit helps me out so much!

[freeOn]

Well at least the stupid sidebar on the main site that displays who has the most antipoints is off, I personally don't like that anti point system. It's rediculos and another way to label people based on what they see. Although ant-points are supposed to be given in respect many people misuse them, and it causes conflict between users.

[Paul Zest]

*Heh* Interesting that peoples voting habits have been displayed. How many Plus or Minus percentage have been given.

I wonder how this is going to develop? Now we can get an idea of how powerful some of the negative APers feel they are. I'd love to analyse the data JP, make me 'AP monitor moderator' in the new AO government *hehe*

Luv
PZ

http://fourq.host.sk/news.htm <-- 4Q bastard page

[FreeAgent]

The anti point system need some work....

Keepen it real
FreeAgent

[FreeAgent]

The anti point system need some work....

Keepen it real
FreeAgent

[the_g_nee]

Hope your not getting flammed or anything freeagent.....

Neato idea number 3 JR!

:)

[SilVerRusT]

:D Greatttttttttt!!!! I'm learning more about this site....It's nice to be a member here...I simply love the idea of antipoints.... :thumbsup:


SilVerRusT
(hi...ho...silver away!)

[antihaxor]

Originally posted by JP
Greetings All:
What Does this Mean For You?

In the future, you will be able to "spend" your AntiPoints on additional site features and gear.
I hope that everyone makes use of this exciting new feature. Your suggestions and thoughts about it are always welcome! Hmmmmm JP when can we expect to be able to "spend" some of these points? Like T-shirts for example. *hint* *hint* :D

[Ennis]

Wheres that damned AO lunchbox I sent away for!

;) ;)

[KorpDeath]

T-shirts definitely.....I can always use more t-shirts.

[Valentino]

I like this idea very much, that will help distinguish the troublemakers from the serious message boards users.

i have seen many boards go down the tubes because of flamers starting ego tripping little and pointeless wars. totally ignoring what the board originally was about.

:p

Valentino

[Mystic Ravenous]

Maybe I think it is bad, You say that an idot is one that has very few points. Well I don't consider myself an idiot. I participate more at HDC then here. But I find HDC and AntiOnline equal for they give a load of information to the people who need it.. But there are advantages to the point system in which many has already pointed out, And that I shall not do.

[[WebCarnage]]

Mystic...You_Only_Have_17_Posts_Under_Your_Belt....

It's not that we think your stupid or anything...just a bit worthless really.

[BERBURT]

hope i can get some positive ones

[kajull]

[QUOTE] Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=118645#post248402) by Bad_N3wZ
[B]No Sir, I don't like it.

Free Speech is fast becoming a thing of the past on the Internet. What, with moderators etc booting you out of chat rooms and what not because they don't like or agree with what you have to say.




I don't personally think that is what how it is gonna work. A disagreement isn't going to lose you points, rather a misinformed or stupid post will be the way you lose em.

There is no problems with freedom of speech as far as I can see i just don't think you are looking at it the right way :) and you saying that the most popular person is the one with most points is wrong. The person/People that write informative, well written and generally excellent posts will be the ones with the most points

My advice to you would be to start writing some posts.

[I am a cracker]

It's a good idea but I'm not personally worried about the point system

[silentstalker]

I'm not worried about anything other than to spread my knowledge here on AO. Now that Im not with HDC anymore, or at least, not with it a lot, I want to teach here at AO. This system is respected by me, and I like the idea of it. Good job.

[TheFerret]

Mmm. Interesting.

[darkadon]

it is interesting...........

[Und3ertak3r]

Good Idea,

after a recent thread regarding some problems I checked my anti points.. aside from the other problem I found I noticed that while I had believed i had been handing out greenies it appears I have only given out "grey points"... but the red were RED.. I noticed that some others are posting greys as well.. is this due to our Low post status?

Cheers

[JP]

Greetings:

This question has been asked & answered a million times. Try searching the threads.

Also, this thread has been lingering around open for too long.

Thread Closed!

[ac1dsp3ctrum]

Ummm... No it isnt..... ?

[Rewandythal]

Nope, this thread is definitely still open... I just posted to it!

[darkadon]

lol

[ac1dsp3ctrum]

I dont think threads in the new features forum can be closed, LOL

[JP]

Greetings:

Doh, I forgot to close it.

There, thread closed!